Kanye West & Ty Dolla $ign's Vultures 1 Spends Second Week at No. 1 on the Billboard 200

Ye (formerly known as Kanye West) and Ty Dolla $ign’s collaborative album Vultures 1 spends a second week atop the Billboard 200 albums chart (dated March 2), earning 75,000 equivalent album units in its second week in the U.S. (down 50%), according to Luminate.

Vultures 1 is Ye’s first album to spend multiple weeks at No. 1 since 2011’s Watch the Throne, with Jay-Z, spent two weeks in charge. In total, of Ye’s 11 No. 1s, three have spent multiple weeks at No. 1: Vultures 1, Watch the Throne and 2005’s Late Registration, all with two weeks atop the list.

THE GUESS WHO Members Burton Cummings And Randy Bachman Sue Band Using The Guess Who Name

Earlier today, founding members of THE GUESS WHO — Burton Cummings and Randy Bachman — filed in federal court in Los Angeles a false advertising lawsuit in response to a group of "hired musicians" who have been touring and recording using the band's name. In addition, according to the lawsuit, these "hired musicians" have been using photographs that include Cummings and Bachman to create the false impression that the hired cover band is the original THE GUESS WHO.

Jim Kale (a former bassist who was kicked out of THE GUESS WHO in 1972),and Garry Peterson (the drummer who played with the group until it disbanded in 1975) are being sued for allegedly concocting a deceptive scheme that has falsely led fans into buying tickets for the cover band's live shows and implying that Cummings and Bachman are performing at the shows when in fact they have no affiliation with the "cover band".

The lawsuit also claims that Kale and Peterson have been removing images of Cummings and Bachman from the landing pages of music streaming platforms such as Spotify and Apple Music and replacing them with pictures of the cover band in an effort to boost sales of tickets for live performances. The suit additionally states the defendants have been using songs written by Cummings and Bachman to promote the cover band without obtaining proper licenses.

The "cover band"'s actions are alleged to have impeded both Cummings's and Bachman's own ability to book live performances in the United States and tarnished the band's legacy. The plaintiffs seek in excess of $20 million in damages as well as a court order directing Kale and Peterson to take corrective measures notifying the public and all venues where the cover band is playing with truthful advertising.

"With this lawsuit, Randy and I hope to set the record straight and protect fans from imposters trying to rewrite history," says Cummings. "Even after we're gone, the legacy of THE GUESS WHO will live on, and we want to make sure that legacy is restored and preserved truthfully."

Bachman adds: "Burton and I are the ones who wrote the songs and made the records. It's Burton's voice and my guitar playing on those albums. Anyone presenting and promoting themselves as THE GUESS WHO are clones who are ripping off our fans and tainting the legacy of the band. It's about time for the real story to come out."

Cummings and Bachman are represented by veteran entertainment attorneys Helen Yu and Henry Self of Yu Leseberg and James D. Weinberger of Fross Zelnick.

BLABBERMOUTH: THE GUESS WHO Members Burton Cummings And Randy Bachman Sue Band Using The Guess Who Name

'Fake Bullshit Shows': Guess Who Co-Founders Sue Ex-Bandmates

Helen Yu & Henry Self of Yu Leseberg and James D. Weinberger of Fross Zelnick represent The Guess Who Co-Founders who filed suit against Ex-Bandmates calling the current lineup a “cover band”

By Ethan Millman

Guess Who founding members Burton Cummings and Randy Bachman have sued fellow original members Jim Kale and Garry Peterson as well as the band itself, accusing them of misleading fans to believe that the current iteration of the group — which Bachman and Cummings have labeled as “little more than a cover band” — is the original Guess Who.

In a federal suit filed in Los Angeles on Monday and obtained by Rolling Stone, Bachman and Cummings allege that the current lineup — where Peterson is the only current member who was also in the band’s classic era — has used the band’s name, photos of the original lineup, and recordings that Bachman and Cummings performed on “to give the false impression that Plaintiffs are performing as part of the cover band.”

“They’ve taken mine and Randy’s history, the history of the Guess Who, and stolen it to market their cheap ticket sales in their fake bullshit shows,” Cummings tells Rolling Stone. “It takes away everybody’s legitimacy.”

The counts listed in the suit are false advertising, unfair competition, and violation of right of publicity, and Cummings and Bachman are seeking as much as $20 million in damages. 

Bachman and Cummings say they’ve struggled with the problem for years, but that it has further escalated in the past two years since the pandemic ended and the band hit the road again. Bachman says that he and Cummings — who plotted a tour together before the pandemic in 2020 — have wanted to tour as the Guess Who but that the dispute has made that impossible. 

Attorneys for Kale and Peterson did not immediately reply to a request for comment, but in a 2012 article in the Winnipeg Free Press, Kale said that “Cummings signed off on the name in 1977 … and he hasn’t stopped his pissing and moaning ever since. What the hell do you think I was going to do, start a scrapbook? Here I was with a whopping grade 10 education and I don’t have a trade and I’m too old for a paper route. I gotta make a living.”

The publication further reported that Kale said he’d give the name back if Cummings and Bachman paid him and Peterson. “I’ll have a band of trained monkeys out there just to piss him off,” he said at the time. “I’m prepared to be that petty … I’m really, really sick of it. I’d love to take the high road, but I’m not going to. I’m his karma.” 

Cummings sent cease-and-desist letters to Guess Who manager Randy Erwin in April and May, according to the suit, and he was allegedly told they would take immediate action, though that apparently didn’t happen. Cummings sent a separate cease-and-desist letter to the band’s attorney earlier this month and hadn’t gotten a response, per the suit.

The Guess Who record in the studio circa 1966 (left to right): Jim Kale, Burton Cummings, Garry Peterson, and Randy Bachman. MICHAEL OCHS ARCHIVES/GETTY IMAGES

“It’s been going on for a long, long time, and we hear from fans who say they spent money on tickets and [Cummings and I] weren’t there,” Bachman tells Rolling Stone. “Enough is enough. I get my kids seeing these ads asking me if I’m playing Park City, Utah, next week. The fans are getting ripped off over and over, and Burton and I lose because we can’t tour the Guess Who even though we want to. We wrote the music for this band and want to give it to the fans. The clones that are up there weren’t even alive when these were hits, it’s kind of a joke.”

The Guess Who were one of the most successful and celebrated bands in Canadian history. The band enjoyed its most fruitful period in the late 1960s and early 1970s, releasing the popular album American Woman and recording hits like the album’s title traqck alongside “These Eyes” and “No Time.” Bachman and Cummings were the songwriters on most of the band’s tracks. Bachman left at the height of the band’s fame in 1970 and founded the popular group Bachman-Turner Overdrive. Cummings left to pursue a solo career in 1975, at which point he said the group disbanded. 

The Guess Who’s original lineup of Cummings, Bachman, Kale, and Peterson played several reunion shows for more than three decades. According to the suit, while Kale played several reunion shows in the 1980s and another show in the early 2000s, he was removed from the band’s 2000-03 reunion tour just before it began. 

While infringement isn’t a listed claim in the suit, the dispute itself stems from a bitter decadeslong trademark issue. Kale, having left the group in 1972, formed new lineups of the band by 1977, two years after the Guess Who’s best-known era ended when Cummings left. Evidently, the Guess Who had never filed any trademarks over their name throughout their tenure, and in 1986, Kale filed a request and got the rights to the name himself. 

As the suit alleges, Kale “falsely misrepresented to the United States Patent and Trademark Office, among other things, that The Guess Who was first used in commerce for entertainment services in November 1977. But by that point, the Original TGW — which used the mark exclusively and continuously from 1965 through 1975 — had already disbanded.”

Cummings and Bachman claim to Rolling Stone that they recall Kale asking about using the name to perform with fellow Guess Who members Donnie McDougall and Kurt Winter in the 1970s, and that they were busy with their own projects at the time, but that they’d never spoken with Kale about trademarks. 

“The way Kale put it was he wanted to use the band’s name for a while. Randy was with BTO and I was carving out a solo career, so we both had moved on by then,” Cummings says. “We thought Kale playing with Donnie and Kurt, it wasn’t really the Guess Who, but it’s not a completely fake thing. Never was there a sniff in that conversation about him trademarking the name, never ever.”

Kale had organized his own tours with the band with a heavily rotating lineup from the 1980s onward, and by the late Eighties, Peterson had joined them. By 2005, per the suit, Kale signed the rights to the Guess Who trademark to partnership between him and Peterson, and the two applied for more trademarks through 2012. Since Kale secured the trademark, the band released several albums, among them 2023’s Plein D’Amour

Burton Cummings performs at New York's Sony Hall on Nov. 18, 2018. BOBBY BANK/GETTY IMAGES

By 2016, Kale had retired from the band, leaving Peterson as the sole original member left. As Cummings and Bachman allege, Peterson plays infrequently with the band, leaving some shows with not a single original Guess Who member. Legacy rock bands touring with just a small link to their glory days is common on the nostalgia circuit, but Bachman and Cummings say having just the original rhythm section without the key songwriters onstage — or more notably, no one at all from the original group — is extreme. 

“It’s really tainted our legacy; it’s tarnished it,” Bachman says. “[Peterson] can be replaced by a drum machine; you can’t replace Burton Cummings’ voice — it’s the greatest rock voice out of Canada. My guitar playing was a one-of-a-kind thing I developed as a kid in Winnipeg. You can’t replace that, and if you do, why would you want to replace it when you can have the real thing?”

Cummings similarly says the band couldn’t legitimately call themselves the Guess Who with no members beyond Peterson. “He’s just the drummer; he didn’t write the songs. The only song Kale and Peterson are listed on is ‘American Woman,’ and that’s because it was the hippie days and the song was improvised onstage, so we thought, ‘We did it onstage, let’s put their names underneath.’”

Along with using the original band’s images and recordings to advertise shows, Bachman and Cummings allege that the defendants replaced the original band’s pictures on streaming services including Spotify and Apple Music with the new group “for the purpose of implying that the Cover Band is the Original TGW in an effort to boost the Cover Band’s ticket sales for live performances and to give the false impression that Plaintiffs are performing as part of the Cover Band or have an affiliation with the Cover Band.

“These artist pages intermingle music by the Original TGW with music by the Cover Band, and Defendants in some cases replaced photographs of the Original TGW members with photographs of the Cover Band’s members to further sow confusion that they are the same as the Original TGW,” the suit alleged. “This intermingling of music and use of the Cover Band’s photographs creates the false and misleading impression that the music all comes from the same source.”

While not listed in the suit, an attorney representing Cummings and Bachman tells Rolling Stone that the new band allegedly failed to obtain proper licenses over the Guess Who’s music that Cummings wrote, which is overseen by his music publisher Shillelagh Music. The attorney said they were exploring a separate potential claim on those allegations as well.

The suit points to several ads the band shared online for upcoming shows in 2023 and 2024, alleging that the group “impliedly attributes to the Cover Band many of the Original TGW’s hit songs, such as ‘Shakin’ All Over’ and ‘American Woman,’ despite the fact that members of the Original TGW originally wrote, recorded and released those songs.”

The band further alleged that old pictures the band shared on its Facebook page that included members of the original Guess Who “implied that Plaintiffs and other members of the Original TGW are involved with the Cover Band.” The suit shared several screenshots from Facebook of fans who said they felt “duped” over the new band. 

Cummings and Bachman say they hope to resolve the issue and get back in control of their musical legacy. “The ideal solution is that Peterson says he’ll retire and we pay him a percentage off the top, and we can lease the name forever or we buy it outright and we’re free to go on,” Bachman says.

“They should start calling themselves a cover band,” Cummings says. “The first thing they have to do is stop implying that they are the original band. They have to stop implying that they’re the guys that made the records. We’ve sent so many cease and desists, and now we’re taking action because they basically give us the finger.”

ROLLING STONE: ‘Fake Bullshit Shows’: Guess Who Co-Founders Sue Ex-Bandmates

Are Major Labels Cooling On Viral Artists?

After years of paying big for songs going viral on social media, labels' strategies may be shifting.

BY ELIAS LEIGHT

On Feb. 4, the rapper Superstar Pride posted a 19-second clip to TikTok of a somber song called “Painting Pictures.” He was basically unknown — with less than 1,000 on-demand streams in the U.S. in January, according to Luminate — but TikTok is famous for its ability to help newcomers attract eyeballs. The unadorned clip, just a rapper and a microphone marooned on a tennis court, quickly passed 1 million views on the app, and the week ending Feb. 9, on-demand streams of “Painting Pictures” leapt from negligible to over 130,000. Pride posted another popular video eight days later; the following week, on-demand streams ballooned to more than 4 million.

“There was this crazy conversion to streaming,” says one senior label executive. “[Pride] made the rounds; every label was talking to him.” But in the end, the rapper announced that he was staying with United Masters, which initially distributed the single.

Some artists prefer the independent route. “[Superstar Pride’s success] is just another example of an independent artist finding tremendous success without the need to give up his rights… to a record company,” United Masters’ Steve Stoute told Billboard in March. (The rapper’s path was also complicated by the fact that the Faith Evans sample underpinning “Painting Pictures” wasn’t cleared initially.) Still, some in the music industry saw this episode as a demonstration of the major labels’ more cautious approach to viral phenomena. 

“Three or four years ago, if that bidding war had happened, it undoubtedly would have come to fruition,” the senior executive says — somebody would have made the rapper an offer that was too big to turn down. In 2023, however, “some labels are disillusioned with their viral pickups,” according to one music attorney who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “There have been a lot of losses. Buyers are going to be a little more deliberate.”

For several years, the mainstream music industry appeared fixated on signing acts with viral momentum. During interviews, executives described the process of combing through heaps of song and artist data from streaming and social media platforms, especially TikTok, identifying tracks with hockey stick graphs — numbers racing up and to the right — and scurrying to lock in a deal before their competitors. Privately, some expressed surprise that their job seemed similar to stock trading, while others criticized this signing strategy as basically buying up market share but foregoing the tough work of artist development.

Labels have been aware of social media’s power to drive wild surges of interest in songs for more than a decade — at least since Psy‘s “Gangnam Style” in 2012 and Baauer‘s “Harlem Shake” in 2013, if not before. In the years since, social media and streaming platforms have become far more potent, and labels invested heavily in honing their research, hiring data whizzes to develop tools that scrape these platforms top to bottom.

Every big label had access to the same pool of information from the social media partners, more or less, so speedy outreach to artists was essential. Even so, bidding wars were common. Especially in 2019, 2020 and 2021, “it felt like every single day another artist signed a deal that was a gazillion dollars,” says another music industry lawyer who requested anonymity to speak candidly. And in the mad rush to beat out the next label, the song or artist being signed sometimes seemed secondary to the data. “People are spending huge on sound effect records,” one senior executive grumbled in 2020. 

The checks were big, but so were some of the hits — none more so than Lil Nas X’s “Old Town Road,” an early beneficiary of a TikTok craze that went on to become the longest-running No. 1 in Billboard Hot 100 history. Still, even with a massive supply of data, forecasting the future remained notoriously difficult. Months of robust streaming for one single may say nothing about the fate of the artist’s follow-up. 

Despite artists’ and labels’ best efforts, it’s now standard to hear that engineering a trend on TikTok is about as likely as buying the winning lottery ticket from the local corner store. And it’s a lottery that appears to have diminishing returns: Viral trends in 2022 did not translate to streaming platforms as effectively as they did in 2020. “All you can do is drop music consistently — and pray,” says another senior executive at a major.

Taking these factors into account, entertainment attorneys say the industry is  starting to look more carefully at viral phenomena. “There’s a lot of viral stuff now that doesn’t get as much attention as it did a year or year-and-a-half ago,” says Leon Morabia, an associate at Mark Music and Media Law. “A lot of things that should’ve been signed to single deals, labels signed to record deals, and they ended up having to replicate the success and it was virtually impossible. And so they ended up with all these artists on their rosters that they had to service that weren’t actually more than a song. It was bad.”

“The market has been correcting,” adds Helen Yu, founder of the music law firm Yu Leseberg. Labels “are backing off in terms of just chasing a number. At some point, it’s coming back to recognition of talent.”

That could be why music lawyers are noticing a new set of behaviors. “For a while there was a lot of signing going on sight unseen,” Morabia says. (The pandemic temporarily made this a necessity, but the need for speed meant the practice continued.) “I see a return to wanting to meet artists in person,” Morabia continues. “I’m hearing questions — ‘Can we meet the kid?’ ‘Can you send us the unreleased music?’ — much more than I did before.”

John Frankenheimer, chair of the music industry practice at Loeb & Loeb, is a veteran lawyer who jokes he’s “been doing this since dinosaurs ruled the earth.” “Opportunities like this always create a frenzy because people are curious to see how they can grasp the latest lightning rod,” he says. “Then everybody has to take a deep breath and start looking at this stuff a little more closely.”

BILLBOARD MAGAZINE: Are Major Labels Cooling On Viral Artists?

Helen Yu Speaks at the Music Biz Annual Conference

The Music Biz Annual Conference took downtown Nashville by storm last week (May 15-18), continuing its legacy as a hub of inspiration and collaboration in the music industry for over six decades. Industry executives gathered to connect, collaborate, and share valuable insights.

Helen Yu was featured as a speaker on the “Music & Money: What’s Boomin & How to Get Paid in Music” panel, hosted by Sound Royalties. She spoke on the considerable uptick in catalog purchases over the past few years & where the market is today. 

 Helen was also highlighted as a Thought Leader at the Allyship Roundtable “Diversity In The Music Industry,” and led a meaningful discussion on fostering diversity and inclusivity within the music industry.

Billboard Names Helen Yu of Yu Leseberg As A Top Lawyer For 2023

Helen Yu
Founder, Yu Leseberg

Yu negotiated client Paulo Londra’s 2022 label contract with Warner Music Latina after managing litigation that freed the Argentine rapper from label Big Ligas. The resulting album, Back to the Game — his first in three years — arrived in November. The firm also closed exclusive apparel deals for client Westside Merchandising with hip-hop supergroup Mount Westmore (Snoop Dogg, Ice-Cube, E-40, Too $hort) as well as hip-hop magazine The Source. Yu’s diverse roster includes Ty Dolla $ign, Diane Warren, Jeff Gitelman, Gerardo Ortiz, members of the Black Eyed Peas and Adrián Chaparro. Yu says that as the first Asian American woman to lead a music law firm, she is passionate about inclusion and creating opportunities for underdogs.

“It’s a privilege & honor to once again be named as a Billboard Top Music Lawyer.  Our passion and commitment to our clients as trailblazing advocates for creatives remains unwavering.”

BILLBOARD: Billboard’s 2023 Top Music Lawyers Revealed

Billboard Names Helen Yu of Yu Leseberg As A Top Lawyer For 2022

“I am once again honored to be named by Billboard for this acknowledgement. As a minority woman attorney in the music business, let’s just say, I still stand out in just about every room I walk into. In the early days, at times it was intimidating and lonely with ‘no tribe.’  As they say… it only made me stronger & appreciate my seat at the table.  My commitment to helping artist’s and championing inclusion continues as my life’s passion.” - Helen Yu, Esq.

Billboard Names Helen Yu of Yu Leseberg As A Top Music Lawyer for 2020

July 27, 2020 (Los Angeles, CA) – Helen Yu, Principal of Yu Lesberg, Entertainment Attorney and music advocate is named to Billboard’s Top Music Lawyers 2020 (https://bit.ly/3hxZky6). Helen Yu’s inclusion on Billboard’s Top Lawyers list reinforces recognition of her successful legal career spanning over twenty-five years in the entertainment industry.

“I’m honored to be recognized by Billboard on this elite list of legal music industry attorneys.  I am humbled by Billboard for recognizing my acumen, hard work, commitment to my clients and overall success. It’s a broad landscape.” said Yu.  “I take pride in advocating for the music and entertainment community.  Being acknowledged for what I am passionate about and dedicated to in my career to is a true honor.”

Whether its recovering record setting copyright estates on behalf of heirs, such as T. Rex/Marc Bolan, Jimmy Holiday.  Helen Yu has been a consistent trailblazer in music business history.

During her illustrious career, she has executed deals resulting in billions of sales, downloads and streams and numerous #1 chart-topping hits, all while maintaining a firm stance on advocacy for artists, songwriters, producers and music companies she proudly represents.  Helen is known for her vigorous negotiations on her clients’ behalves and strategizing architectural business moves. Helen Yu’s commitment and tenacity are unmatched.

Early in her career, Helen Yu served as the legal force behind producers and songwriters for superstar acts including Tupac, Post Malone, Fifth Harmony, Black Eyed Peas, Fergie, will.i.am, Big Sean, Tyga, 2 Chainz, Migos, Junior Mafia, Britney Spears, Drake, Wiz Khalifa, NSYNC, Justin Timberlake,  Fifth Harmony, Back Street Boys, Mary J. Blige, Busta Rhymes, Janet Jackson, will.iam, Fergie and P. Diddy.  Helen Yu has also been on the forefront as a legal eagle moving hip-hop’s culture forward for the past 25 years among many in her legal representation of:  Ty Dolla $ign, YG, Mustard, Snoop, BAS, as well representing some of the most prominent Latin stars of today and yesteryear:  Joan Sebastian, Gerardo Ortiz, Paulo Londra, and Silent Giant Entertainment. 

"I Want Your Job": Helen Yu featured in UPROXX's Music Industry Interview Series

Helen Yu, Esq. in her Hollywood office: "You don’t choose music, music chooses you."

Helen Yu, Esq. in her Hollywood office: "You don’t choose music, music chooses you."

Interview by Caitlin White of UPROXX.

Helen Yu Leseberg describes herself first and foremost as an advocate. As the found of her own entertainment law firm, Yu Leseberg, her priority is to serve and protect the legal well-being of “artists, songwriters, producers, and creative talent in the entertainment industry.” If anyone knows how difficult it might be to get artists to take care of and be familiar with their own legal rights, it’s Helen, who works at explaining high-level, analytic concepts to some of the most creative and non-linear artists currently working.

After an early stint as a high school intern for the now-defunct indie label Enigma Records, Yu Leseberg realized she could pair her love of the arts with her family’s mandate that she go to law school — and her career in entertainment law was born. Music law is just as complicated and unique as the rest of the industry, and in our conversation below she unpacks the challenges and considerations that go into working in the entertainment law field. Her final note resonates most: You don’t choose music, music chooses you.

How did you end up in your current role? What was your trajectory?

I always loved music and I started as a musician. I played keyboard and I was in a band in high school. Being in a band and being in music, of course I loved going to shows, and in high school I was able to get an internship at a label called Enigma Records. It was really early to start, I didn’t drive, I was 15, my mom would dropped me off. That’s how I started, and this label was an independent label and it was very cool. It was two brothers that owned it and they had all the departments there — radio, retail, distribution and finance. Everything was there. So I started off there in publicity. I learned working with a record company that way, and I did whatever they wanted me to do: answer phones, box stuff up, called stores. Back then we’d do a lot of data gathering by calling retailers to find out what records were selling. When I started in music for that first job, we didn’t have a lot of competing media. The internet didn’t exist. I’m surprised that millennials still want to work in the music industry, because there’s so many cooler jobs. But I started out with an internship, and most of my friends that work in the business almost all started with an internship.

So you met the Engima records guys at a show?

I was really lucky because I lived in LA and the entertainment industry is a cottage business here for us. The two guys that owned the label lived in my neighborhood. I was in a band and… I didn’t look like the other kids in the neighborhood. So I stood out, so they asked me ‘Hey, do you want to be an intern?’ And I didn’t know what that was, but I was like ‘Yeah!’

How did you move from working with a label into the law side of things?

I wanted to be a musician and be in a band, to have a creative career. But my family really discouraged it, because they thought that it was not a very stable career path. They wanted me to be a lawyer because they felt I had a higher likelihood of having a steady living. At the record company they had a lawyer so I had already thought ‘hmmm.’ The lawyer would come in and do things every once in awhile.

And at the time I was taking driving lessons — it’s funny, you never know where the inspiration is going to come from — I was learning how to finally drive so my mom wouldn’t have to continue to drive me down there anymore. This older hippie gentleman was my instructor, and he asked me ‘What do you want to be when you grow up?’ I told him I wanted to be in a band but my parents wanted me to be a lawyer. And he said ‘Well you know, there’s lawyers that do that.’ And I said ‘Yeah, you’re right, there’s lawyers that come in! They handle the musicians and all the stuff for the legal side. I think that really was it, it was a way to contribute to the arts and still kind of satisfy what my parents wanted.

Can you briefly explain what your main role is as an entertainment lawyer?

I’ve worked both in-house at record companies, and I now work in what we call private practice. I own my own firm now, and I’ve worked for other firms in the past. But in private practice mainly I represent talent. Meaning that I represent the artists and we negotiate their recording agreements, if they’re getting signed to a record company, whether it’s Universal, or whoever, we negotiate those recording agreements, we negotiate the publishing deals, we negotiate the tour agreements if they’re going out for live concerts, live tours. We oversee and master use and synchronization licensing.

Anytime you hear songs being used in television shows and in films, we help oversee that. Sometimes we directly license that if they don’t have a publisher, generally that’s the music publisher. We handle endorsement deals, where maybe Tanqueray or Samsung might want to get into business to have an artist as their spokesperson or to do commercial endorsements with that artist, we handle that. Any type of general releases, if they’re being interviewed on television or that kind of thing, we set up all their corporations, their personal loan-outs to render services to third parties. We do almost everything. But that’s generally what we do on a day-to-day basis for the artist.

What kind of skills do you think are good for someone who might be thinking about a job in music law?

You have to be very detail-oriented. You have to have a very high level of reading comprehension. You have to be a good writer, and be a good draft person. Those are the technical skills you need. The difference between and “and” and a “or” something in a sentence is huge. You can’t say “this or that” or “this and that,” the difference is enormous. If you miss one zero it’s the difference between 10,000 and 1,000. You can’t make mistakes, so you have to check and you have to re-check and you have to be very detail-oriented. Even where you put your punctuation, where does that comma go in that sentence can make the sentence have a different meaning.

How is music law different from practicing other kinds of law?

Music law is like being on a different planet. It’s a different skill set. It’s almost like, it’s contracts, it’s copyright, it’s intellectual property, but there’s so many things that are custom and practiced in the business in the way things are done that are so unique to the business it’s almost like a trade. You can’t really graduate from law school and then just start being a music lawyer. Because there’s so many things that you don’t know. You can’t possibly learn, even if you read about it. It’s literally analogous to going and having an apprenticeship, becoming a journeyman or being an electrician or something.

How did you handle that transition?

I had been able to get an internship during law school at Motown Records. And then once I graduated I was able to get a job working in the legal department at Virgin Records. In a very low-level position there in the legal department, and I just started learning, kind of from the bottom.

What do you think the hardest part of your job is?

The hardest part of my job, honestly, is number one managing the expectations of the clients. It’s hard dealing with talent, especially high-level talent. You have to be able to deal with a certain type of personality, because artists are unusual. They’re temperamental. They think in a very non-linear terms, and you have to be able to explain very linear, analytical, difficult concepts to people who are creative who naturally think in non-linear terms. The better of an artist they are, the less linear of a thinking pattern they have. [Laughs] Then, there’s also the fierce competition. There’s a lot of competition, even among the attorneys themselves. There’s ego, there’s all of that stuff. It’s an extremely competitive field.

On the other end of the spectrum, what is one of the most triumphant moments in your career?

There’s so many… I don’t know if I have one watershed moment that I feel is really the pinnacle. But maybe one of the most difficult things I’ve done is I resolved an incredibly important and difficult copyright case that was multi-jurisdictional that no one had been able to solve and resolve with a famous UK rockstar for almost forty years. Many lawyers had come before me and tried over an almost forty year period. There was a BBC documentary about it, and I was able to resolve it. It was pretty amazing.

What advice do you have for someone who might be looking to get into music law?

If you want to get into music law, stay the course. Be dedicated to it. When you go to law school and graduate, your first job leads to your second job leads to your third job etc. So if you go to school and you’ve got all these student loans — it’s expensive because it’s graduate school — it may take you longer to land that first job in music and entertainment, but you’ve got to say the course. If you take a job at this bankruptcy firm thinking you’re going going to switch later, and it’s just a job for now, it’s not going to happen. Because when you go to get that music job, they’re going to ask what experience you have. So you’ll start going down this other path. You’ve got to stay really passionate and stay the course. Music is a community and I think it’s a great community to be part of because it is about passion. This is one of these fields… where it chooses you. Music chooses you, you don’t choose music.

Learn more about Helen’s entertainment and music law firm Yu Leseberg here.